GT stagnated for ages, never really improving or adding what their fans wanted, but then Forza came around, and the bar was raised. Sure GT had the looks, the style and its photo mode but step back from that and it was still the same as it's always been. GT, PD and Kaz especially are arrogant in my opinion. Don't get me wrong I really admire the beauty and craft that goes into a Gran Turismo, but we're nearing the 20th anniversary of the series and it's only now slowly starting to embrace what its competitors have been doing for a while. I think Sony needs to rein PD and co in a bit personally. [HR][/HR] [Mod edit:] Topic created from split-off comments made in the Forza Motorsport 7 Will Not Have Toyota Production Cars!! -- Posts #1-4 are originally from that discussion.